Calm and collected in the field, hot, hyper, spooky and nervous on a ride.

by Connie
(Mississippi, USA)

I bought my TB paint mare - Allie - last January. She stands 17 hands, will be 9 in April and is an absolute BEAUTY! Allie had been used in the jumper/hunter world for a long time. BUT, I was assured she had also been rode western, bareback, had children as well as inexperienced adults ride her. I grew up riding horses - from 5 yrs of age till I was in my early 20's. Being out of the saddle for so many years didn't alarm me and trusting what I was told at the time of purchase definitely didn't make me feel I needed to be alarmed.

So anyways, when I got her home and acquainted with my freebie filly, and had all these dreams of riding of into the sunset and LOVING every minute of it. Well, the first day out, she threw me....ok....probably my fault, laughed it off, checked saddle, bridle, etc. all is good....get back on and off we go. Next time, we did better...next time here she goes again. At this point I'm beginning to have some SERIOUS doubts regarding this horse so I started asking questions. Back to the previous owner who of course stated "NO, she never bucked" then onto a lady who had her for 6 weeks prior to me (which was TOTAL news) and she confirmed yes she did buck (raising eyebrows now) then to the trainer that trained her and as soon as I mentioned the horse she just had to go...but promised to call me back. She won't take my calls and has yet to return them. And last but not least I tracked down the lady who bought her as a two yr old from the breeder in Texas who laughed at me when I told her I was using her as a horse.....no jumping....no running...no being confined to the arena...just riding, camping, trailing, spending time with the family and teaching my children the love and thrill of having horses.

I have taken her on trails....the first couple of times she acted as though the trees were going to eat her and the birds and leaves were ground monsters just waiting to pounce on her. We've taken her on organized rides and she does fair as long as there are no wagons, donkeys, mules, music, other horses....etc...you get the picture. She is very nervous, anxious, seems to forget EVERYTHING she has been taught and just goes into plain overdrive! I've never seen a horse lope in place till I saw her doing it! Very pretty, but not so nice while on her back!! I'm sure some has to do with her breeding...she dates back to Man O War and her sire is still in competition today and has won World Champion many times.

I do warm her up before riding. It consists of flexing, disengaging, lunging, making her change directions, backing, making her stand still. I've tied bags and bells to her saddle, played loud music, let a lead rope bounce off her butt, have her go over a huge blue tarp...she does all this very well.....but as soon as I get on her, she's a total different horse! She constantly chomps the bit, swishes her tail, has started bobbing her head and the list goes on. The only time I can remember that she did not do these things was when we rode in the woods and the terrain was very hilly....she had to work more, but that was about 2 1/2 hrs from my house.

I rode her last weekend for about an hour in our property then down the road...she shied at makings on the blacktop, at trees, at shrubs, at paper at water...basically everything out there! She has bolted with me before and that is one of my biggest fears with her because she is so big and so quick! She's quick to flee then check it out.

I've heard about horses being right/left brained and introvert/extrovert. Based on what I've read so far she is DEFINITELY RT brained Extrovert!!

So how do I get through to her? I have my suspicions she has been abused in the past and has a trust issue. I've had a guy work and ride her and he says she just needs lots of miles put on her, well, if I can't get her past a foot, how do I get her past a mile? My husband is pressing me to sell her, but I don't want to give up on her. I'm lost here and not sure what I need to do, what I can do and what can be done.


Please help - both of us!!

Sincerely,

Connie and Allie


Hi Connie (and Allie),

You are correct in deducing that Allie is a Right Brained, Extroverted horse that has experienced NOT to trust people. Now combine that with her sensitivity and fear level and you have a bomb ready to ignite at the drop of a hat (which you have unfortunately discovered while flying through the air!).

What I hear in all of this is Allie being subjected to a lot of traditional (do it or else) training methods to MAKE her do the tasks set upon her. She lacked understanding the entire way thus created the means (behaviors) to escape, like bucking, jigging, spooking, anxiety etc. On her part it’s all about information overload which created tons of fear in the end. We can’t undo her experiences of the past but we can put better information over top of old bad information. Once the new information and experiences outweigh the old ones she will react differently. It’s time for you to do the opposite of what everyone else has done.

When I come across these types of horses I have 2 main goals in mind. One is to assure the horse that I am not going to hurt them whereby gaining their trust so that they will look to me for safety and comfort. The other is to help them become brave in the process. The only way to accomplish this is through good quality time spent on the ground and using positive reinforcement methods only. The entire time I am building a new language for this horse to “learn” to make decisions on their own. In other words I need the horse to believe it was their idea and not mine. That is how they learn to become confident and brave.

Offering more consideration as to what horses want to do rather than what we want them to do solves many dilemmas. Riding off into the sunset is what we humans find wonderful, but for a horse, staying close to safety and food is what they would like to do! Making a game out of what we want to do rather than making them “do” lunging, standing still or putting miles on them is not building a trusting relationship. Chomping at the bit (we do not advocate bits of any kind); tail swishing, bobbing heads are all indications of training gone in the wrong direction with misunderstandings. Poor Allie is running primarily on adrenaline caused by her past fearful experiences.

Getting back to basics and finding the holes in her training is necessary. Discover all the things she can do well and concentrate on those often. That way you have something to ask her that is easy for her to do which brings calmness and confidence back for her. Introduce and learn Clicker Training and particularly targeting. Then I would make a game out of it while taking her for a walk (you unmounted) down the road and seeing all the things she can target with her nose. (Don’t go any further than the first thing she finds scary. Then go home and come back again (it could be the next day) until you see her confidence build)

Never scold a horse for being afraid. Horses are born skeptical and some are bigger cowards than others (in our eyes and definition of the word) but these qualities are what helped horses survive over all these centuries. So do the opposite. When a horse shows fear to an object I comfort them, stroking their neck, speaking softly and then retreat from the object. Reintroduce targeting something they are familiar with and then re-approach when their confidence has risen.

Here’s the best secret of all. Often times we try to solve a behavior by looking only at the end of the behavior, for example a horse that’s bucking. We think it’s the buck that is the problem. But the truth is that’s the end result not the original problem to address. The original problem would be the understanding and confidence of the horse not the behavior itself. So when I help a horse to become more confident and targeting does just that, it’s not about the horse touching things with their nose, it’s about the “confidence” to touch something with their nose (hear the difference?). Then what often happens is the behavior to buck falls away on its own. I see this time and time again.


Elaine Polny
Training Horses Naturally

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Feb 04, 2011
Two Horses In One! Part 2
by: Elaine Polny

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Here’s where starting over for Allie would be helpful in re-teaching how to follow a feel from the reins. Lots of lateral flexion and backing up and you can do this from the ground first using a halter or bitless bridle. And yes, clicker training is your key.

P.S. Thank you for being committed to helping Allie rather than sending her off to another who may or may not be able to understand her experiences. In her case this has already happened too many times and unfortunately this is exactly what happens to too many horses. It’s truly a shame how so many horses are shuffled around from home to home all the while people lying about them. It’s never about the horse being bad, it’s about unknowledgeable humans!

Elaine Polny

Feb 04, 2011
Two Horses In One!
by: Elaine Polny

Hi Connie,
Thank you for some clarification. So now it's clearer what Allie perceives. If on the ground she understands your directions (this tells us that she is confident and brave when she can “visually” see you) then her previous training from the saddle has been changed and not transferred for her understanding.

Here’s an exercise for us humans to understand from a horse’s perspective what it’s like having a human behind them and on their back. Pretend you are the horse and have someone place one hand on either shoulder while standing behind you, first you couldn’t see them right? The only way that person behind you could communicate is through “feel” or the use of verbal sounds. You would feel quite uncertain as to what is going to come next and you would feel quite blinded in the process. This is why it is so important that we use cues from the ground that will easily be transferred while on their backs. It brings comfort and no surprises when I simply say to my horse, “walk” or “whoa” etc. Plus making my movements slow and precise to let them in on what’s coming next. For example if I wanted to turn to the right: I would look there first (the horse would “feel” my body shift) then I would slowly take the slack out of the rein (another “feel” movement for the horse)and providing my ground training was intact, the horse would then follow the feel and make the turn without stress. And of course the release is just as important here too. We are after a conditioned response where the horse doesn’t need to guess what any of this means.

What can I say about Clicker Training other than “IT’S THE BEST TOOL EVER!” :0) Just like any tool we apply to horses, it’s never about what the horse knows, it’s what the human knows! Here’s your chance to learn something that I promise will not only blow your mind but will increase your ability to communicate with Allie tenfold. You’ll be left will the feeling that you wish you had known about it years ago! Our clicker training guide is designed for you to download it straight to your computer. There are few books out there but all can be found on Amazon.

I understand why you feel the way you do about using a bit with Allie for the moment. Let me shed a little more light on the subject. Since it is well documented that “all” bits cause pain and damage to a horse’s mouth then I would be putting my “trust” in pain to stop or control a horse. That is not where I would like my trust to come from. Instead when I come across a horse that could only be controlled by such means, I look upon this as a horse I have no business being upon because training and lack of a trustful relationship is nonexistent. So many people feel they are safer on a horse that needs a bit for control but I believe and see the opposite to be true. If I needed a bit to control my horse then I am actually in more danger than a horse that does not.

(continued on next comment due to space)


Elaine

Feb 04, 2011
RE: Calm and collected in the field, hot, hyper, spooky and nervous on a ride.
by: Connie

Hi Anonymous, and thanks to you too for your response. For clarification, when I brought Allie home, I did not take her out immediately...it was a good month or so before I rode her. Since all my horses (5) are at my house and not kept in stalls I have the opportunity to be with her everyday. And, based on what I was led to believe about her, there shouldn't have been ANY problem of unloading this mare and saddling her up and going! As I said, as I was led to believe... I don't think I had any outlandish expectations of her....

Please don't think I am one of these people that leaves their horse in the pasture for weeks on end then one day goes out gets them, loads them in the trailer, and off we go. Then back in the pasture for another several weeks on end.....that's not how we work here!! LOL All of our horses are worked with everyday....and not on the line or with a bit or under a saddle. By that I mean, they are brushed, rubbed, loved on, played with....hands on ALL the time. My soon to be 5 yr old has to "hug" each one EVERYDAY and often times he's the first one in the field.

As for the bit, she has been rode in a snaffle for forever....I would like to be able to ride all mine with a bitless, but I do not trust this mare....she will be gone in a heartbeat. I do not ride with a tight rein at all, and often I think that is one reason she has been able to get away from me is because the reins are maybe a tad bit too loose. I'm not saying I will NEVER ride her in a bitless, just not right now. If this training procedure goes well, I will be the first to throw the bit in the trash!!!

My goal is to create that understanding - between both of us...and build the trust! As for finding her another home, not an option!! I will keep her as a pasture ornament before I let her go and someone else can hurt her more than she's been hurt already!

Didn't mean to be so lengthy here, just wanted to explain a little more.

Thanks again,

Connie and Allie

Feb 04, 2011
RE: Calm and collected in the field, hot, hyper, spooky and nervous on a ride.
by: Connie

Hi Elaine and thank you for your advice and information. My mind has been in a complete whirlwind TRYING to uncover all this with Allie.

I do believe her training as a youngster DID consist of "do this or do that or ELSE" and never taught with a gentle hand....force was definately behind it and it's very plain to see she is carrying that excess baggage!

What I do not understand, and maybe I just didn't pick it up in your previous post is I can walk her down the road, through the woods, past all the "monsters" and she is fine.....but once I get on her and take her to these things that is when she "transforms" to this other horse. For clarification, with me on the ground, she may stop and look at something, but does not seem to be afraid of it....she is only like that when I'm on her. Then again, maybe it's ME, anticipating flying through the air and so it seems she is more tense.....

On the ground she does what is asked and doesn't buck, jigg, crowhop, throw her head.....it's a night and day difference. I do praise her often verbally and physically, rubbing her ears, neck, chest, all over. I just can't seem to break through the walls while on her.

I'm not sure how to go back to ground zero with her. I don't want to move too fast with her "reprogramming" and definately not too slow.....GRRR! The only thing I want for her is to trust me, respect me, and not ever fear me. I'm just having some problems figuring out how to get that accomplished.

This is the first time I've ever heard of Clicker Training....will this really help her even though she has had all the other training?

As for the bit, I would love to ride her in a bitless, but I'm afraid I would be asking for a death sentence if I did. She is very powerfull and even though soft in the mouth, she is very difficult to stop when she gets the notion to take off. One rein stops are very difficult... as I said before, it's almost as if she forgets ALL her manners. The last time I used a ORS with her she went into a death spin.....she stayed on her feet - thank God - but is was NOT what I was expecting.

I'm very interesting in the Clicker training....can any of the books be purchased in the local book store or only ordered off line? I'm willing to do whatever I can financially afford to do in order to help her and make her a better horse!!

Thanks again for your help!!

Connie and Allie

Feb 03, 2011
good luck
by: Anonymous

Seems like alot of expectations for a new horse in too little period of time.Take the time get to really understand her or find her a home with the training and time.Shes definitely going to have to start first with mutual trust, building a relationship with her new owner something she may never have had with a past owner then slowly build from there. Get rid of the bit....

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