My stud horse will drool and lower his penis after I have pushed him away from his food.

Gelded horse still trying!

Gelded horse still trying!

I have a horse that were not sure is a stud or gelding. He was cut, but still mounts everything and acts like a stud. We have been trying to catch him and develop a relationship with him, so we don't have to rope him or pen him to catch him. I have been pushing him away from his hay and making him come close to me and eat out of my hand before I let him eat. After he tries to push the other horses off their food and I keep pushing him away, he will go stand about 15 feet away from me and stop and drop his penis and start too drool. What does this mean and what should I do?


Answer:

The first thing I would need to know is the age of this horse and when you think he was cut. A veterinarian would be able to identify if he was done correctly or not.

Next I would want to know how many other horses he lives with and how many are mares vs. geldings. How long have you had him? What’s the feeding schedule?

Many horses gelded later will continue to display stud like behaviors and with time often these behaviors will dissipate (but some may not). Our horse Ajax is a good example of this. He was gelded at the age of 7 but he didn’t know it yet! It took him just over 2 years to finally relinquish all of his stud like behaviors! The picture above shows him trying after he had been with us the first year.

I have also encountered a few geldings that will drop their penis for no good explanation or reason at all. One friend of mine had a horse who would drop when she would do anything with him from ground work and even when she rode. I haven’t come across enough good scientific evidence to support the why, so don’t worry about this for now. I would think the drooling under these circumstances merely supports his wanting to eat and thus salivates in anticipation for food.


Since it sounds like “building trust” is what’s required, then I wouldn’t be pushing him away from food. That is usually something done when we are trying to build respect. Plus the hand feeding could come back as an unwanted behavior (without the correct use of Clicker Training) when he becomes comfortable with you and then tries mugging you later for food. Yet because you have been able to push him away and he will eat from your hand, let’s try this approach.

Let’s use the other horses and the food as the “tool”.

The next time you feed, spread out enough piles plus one extra and wait for the horses to settle in and start eating. While they are all eating go up to the friendliest horse, offer the back of your hand as a gesture for them to sniff and say Hello (I do this every time I approach my horses). When the horse turns back to the food, stroke their neck and then the body wherever it feels safe to do so. Do this with all of the other horses first then approach this one in the same way. The only difference is that you will move away and re-approach more often. For example: Allow him to sniff your hand, back up a few steps and come back in and do this again. Then if you can stroke his neck, do this once and back up a few steps again. If you sense he feels afraid, leave and go to another horse and come back. I promise, he’ll be watching you!

If the first time you can only walk up to him a few feet away, notice when he wants to retreat and back up and re-approach. Build in small steps and before you know it, he will become comfortable with your presents.

Hope this helps,

Elaine Polny
Training Horses Naturally

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My stud horse will drool and lower his penis after I have pushed him away from his food.

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Nov 19, 2010
Scared to Death
by: Elaine Polny

I feel I am not getting all of the information needed to address this situation clearly. Now we have a highly fearful horse who in spite of his fear was still ridden! No wonder he doesn’t want to be caught. See it from his perspective, I get caught, I get ridden, and I don’t like, understand or want that part because it’s terrifying. No doubt because all of his training was done roughly and way too quickly. This is exactly the kind of horse that gets tossed around from home to home because people get impatient and frustrated with him which just adds to his fear level.

The best way to help him now is to start all over and treat him like he has never been handled. (Which won’t be hard, since he won’t allow it anyway!) Undoing bad past experiences for horses takes a lot of time, patients and knowledge. Everyone has already tried the “quick fix” methods, now it’s time to do the opposite.

First, I certainly wouldn’t ride him until he is comfortable being caught and handled. That goes for any horse. Give him at least 6 months off without agenda. From here I hesitate to give you further advice without discussing your situation over the phone. (Otherwise we will be emailing back and forth forever!)I would need to know exactly how your paddocks are set up, how often and how your feeding schedule is done and more specifics about this horses personality and your experience level. Then we can set this horse up for success.

The best time to reach me is on a weekday morning at 905-936-1032. Your other option is to find a kind trainer in your area well versed in Natural Horsemanship & Clicker Training methods.

P.S. Using food to catch horses doesn’t yield long lasting results as you have witnessed. In other words, bribing a horse is not an effective method or tool.

Nov 18, 2010
reply about carrots
by: Anonymous

I'm not exactly sure where he came from, we have a friend who breaks horses and this horse was given to him and he had a real hard time breaking him. He used him on his ranch this last summer and he was rode every day. They had him in a corral, so it was easier to catch him. We just have him on 10acres of free open pasture. Since we have let him out, I have only been able to catch him twice with oats and it still took me along time to get him to come close enough to eat the oats. We rode him both times and now I'm trying to get him confortable with me touching him without him feeling like there is an agenda.

I was not trying to push him away from his food, but he was walking away from me everytime he felt that I got too close. After he walked further away then I would hold some hay and wait for him to come to me to get the hay. That took me about a half hour for him to decide to come to me. When he took the hay from me, I just then walked away and let him eat. My husband tried to entice him with carrots, but he didn't seem interested.

I have just been talking to him and getting close to him but then ignoring him, he just doesn't seem to want to trust.

I will try going up to him and away and then back again several times and see if he gets more confortable.
My husband thought about sweet oats as an inticement....do you have any other suggestions.

Nov 18, 2010
Keep it up!
by: Elaine Polny

So he's just a young boy and having had him for a few months tells me his is really very afraid of people. Do you know where he came from? This kind of fear tells us that he was either not handled much or handled harshly before you.

If reaching out to him makes him leave then just sit with him at the 2 feet mark, do nothing and leave and re-approach, even a few minutes later. He might be moving off now because you had asked him to do this before. So he might think this is still what you want but I think it is more about fear.

The drooling and dropping doesn't concern me near as much as the not being able to touch him. It's an after affect of anxiety. Forcing a fearful animal to be touched just makes them more fearful. So prove to him you are not there for any other reason than to offer kindness and company.

Under these circumstances and because you were able to feed him by your hand, I would go ahead and do this. Make it something special like a long carrot, where he can reach take a piece and retreat himself too. After he gets a bite, you retreat as well and return.

We need to have touching become "his" idea not ours. We need to have him looking forward to your visits. Often just sitting in a chair amongst horses can create more trust with them, without agendas. Just try for a few days not to touch him but do try to get closer and closer (but only when you think he is okay with it, you must leave before he leaves)and let me know what happens.

He his a prey animal acting as though all people are predators.

Nov 18, 2010
reply to horse drooling
by: Anonymous

He is a 4yr old and I believe that he was cut around 1yr old. We have looked to see if he still has a testical that didn't get cut, but cant find one. He lives with 2 other mares and one gelding.

We got him a few months ago and all of our other 3 horses are very friendly and easy to walk up to and catch, except him.

I have been doing what your saying with making several hay piles and letting all the horses feed. I go up to all the other horses and pet them and then I try to approach him. I have gotten where I can get about 2ft away from him if I bend down so that I am smaller than him. But, he still won't let me touch him. The minute I reach out my hand, he moves away to another pile, or pushes the other horses off a pile. I have then been reapproaching him at the other piles until he gets to the point of just walking away from all of the piles. Thats when he will stand there for a few minutes and drop and drool.

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